The LHC (Large Hadron Collider) at CERN will collide protons at very high energies to uncover the secrets of physics at energy densities comparable to those that prevailed at a billionth of a second after the Big Bang.B"H
OK, this is incredibly cool. One can say we should not be messing with these things, but I think that when we mess with these things we end up coming full circle and realizing how incredible and amazing G-d's creation is.
It is one thing to see the creations of a Great Artist, but one doesn't realize the difficulty of that endeavor until one attempts to mimic it.
Hashm's creations are the most amazing of all, and will take the combined talents of the smartest, most talented people along with thousands of computers just to understand one tiny bit of Hashm's power. WOW.
It makes me wish I understood even a little bit about what these physicists have mastered, but even that is beyond my grasp!
How much Greater Hashm's Mastery!
M
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Israeli scientists to smash particles at super speeds
Judy Siegel-Itzkovich , THE JERUSALEM POST Jun. 6, 2008
http://www.jpost.com /servlet/Satellite?cid=1212659672990&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Working deep underground, in a quest to recreate the wonders of the universe's birth, 40 Israeli scientists, engineers and technicians on board the team of a momentous scientific endeavor in Geneva feel like crew members of Columbus's voyage to the New World.
They are part of an international project known as the Large Hadron Collider (LHC), a massive particle accelerator spanning the border between Switzerland and France. What this gigantic instrument does, in simple terms, is bash together the tiny particles that make up the universe at mind-boggling speeds, so scientists can observe the extreme energies, mini-black holes, and other phenomena that occurred during the first millionths of a second after the Big Bang, the mother of all explosions, in which all we know was created.
The potential findings "will be more important and have more applications than the first landing on the moon," says Tel Aviv University theoretical physicist Prof. Erez Etzion, who has spent a whole year at the site, joined by Israelis from the Weizmann Institute of Science in Rehovot, TAU and the Technion-Israel Institute of Technology, some of whom shuttle back and forth.
"Just as man strives to reach the hottest, coldest and highest places on Earth, we want to reach the smallest particles in the Universe," says Prof. Ehud Duchovni, a particle physicist at the Weizmann Institute.
"And to do so, you have to build the biggest machine in the world. We are going into unchartered territory."
Like Etzion, Duchovni will be there when the "mini-Big Bang" takes place sometime within the next two months, and will continue to work on the resulting data, helping to translate it into new knowledge for mankind. Some 6,000 scientists in 50 other countries are participating, with 100,000 computers all over the world connected to function as a giant supercomputer that will work on the data around the clock.
It will take a decade to decipher all the data, but "much new information will already be available during the first few months," says Etzion.
The project, which cost some $10 billion and took around 14 years to build, is being coordinated by CERN, the European Organization for Nuclear Research, and is actually the world's largest particle physics laboratory. The LHC has been built in a circular tunnel buried 50 to 175 meters under Switzerland and France, with a circumference of 27 kilometers.
The participating Israeli universities and the Israel Science Foundation are contributing $12 million towards the project.
In the accelerator tunnel, two beams of protons (one of the basic building blocks of atoms) travel at nearly the speed of light, guided in opposite directions by massive magnets (inside a continuous vacuum) and thousands of detectors - each the size of a refrigerator door and many of them built in Israel - will collect the flood of data.
So big and groundbreaking is the project that lawsuits
have been filed against it, alleging everything from a potential "environmental catastrophe" to fears that the world would be sucked into a tiny black hole created by the extreme energy in the accelerator.
The suits were all rejected, and "the particle collision will not cause all of Europe to be sucked into the tunnel," laughs Duchovni.
"It is a very 'green' experiment that is not nuclear and will not produce dangerous waste or have any environmental implications. The electricity will come from French nuclear power plants.
The mini-black holes we hope will be created will be very hot and just evaporate." When Duchovni was in Geneva at the beginning of the project in 1985, he asked the scientists there why they didn't do "something practical instead."
But he quickly realized that the knowledge likely to be obtained about the Universe will surely have a major impact on the world.
"It will work against poverty and illness. As time passes, the basic scientific knowledge will be applied in a wide variety of fields. Already, CT, PET and MRI imaging machines have improved because of information on magnetic forces and radiation. It will help in the development of x-ray technology [capable of scanning] of whole containers at once to fight terrorism and smuggling, for example.
"Today it is hard even to conceive of the practical benefits from this project." "We will discover the basic forces that hold the world together," explains Etzion.
"Just one benefit will be advances in detecting technology, such as the very exact and sensitive ones that have been produced at a special factory on the Weizmann campus."
The two physicists agree that the high-level of Israeli theoretical and practical know-how is greatly appreciated at CERN and is much greater than Israel's proportionate size.
"CERN has ordered parts from our industry and sent experts to visit on a regular basis. Among other things, we excel in soldering tiny parts together," says Etzion.
"We are among the top eight countries along with scientists from Italy, France, Germany, Japan, Russia, the US and the UK," asserts Duchovni.
Etzion, who is going to CERN again next week and will be in the control room when the button is pressed, calls the project "the biggest and craziest I know. Crazy, because there is no one boss. Nobody decides, but it works like a Swiss watch. We do teleconferences via Skype on our computers all the time and video-conferences with CERN every few days.
"The people at CERN didn't believe it could function without hierarchy, but because we all have such strong motivation that it should succeed, we all blend well together despite the cultural and language differences. If it fails to produce the data we expect, we will all be blamed together."
There is a small possibility that all their calculations fail and that "nothing will happen," concedes Etzion.
"Maybe the physics are hiding beyond the energies we are searching for. Maybe we have lit a very strong streetlight but the coin is too far away to be seen with it," suggests Etzion, who returned to TAU nine years ago after post-doctoral work at Stanford University, and immediately began to contribute to LHC.
Albert Einstein, some of whose theories are expected to be demonstrated by the LHC, surely would have wanted to be present in the Geneva control room, looking over the scientists' shoulders, Etzion says with a smile. As for religious believers who hope the Big Bang will show that the Universe was a Divine creation, and the atheists who want it to prove the opposite, Etzioni is certain that both sides will be able to produce their own commentary from the same results.
"It will not harm the beliefs either of the religious or of the non-believers."
CERN states: "The mini-black holes we hope will be created will be very hot and just evaporate"
ReplyDeleteActually that is a highly disputed theory requiring that theories of Dr. Albert Einstein would have to have been (in the words of Dr. Steven Hawking) "doubly wrong".
But who's theories tend to be proven correct? Not Dr. Steven Hawking's... Hawking Radiation is a strongly disputed theory and is not assumed for safety purposes. Problem is, we don't have a good theory of safety yet. This experiment may pose an existential threat to Earth. JTankers Learn more at LHCFacts.org
"Albert Einstein, ...surely would have wanted to be present in the Geneva control room"
ReplyDeleteActually Albert Einstein might instead warn that this experiment should be properly vetted for safety before operations begin, and that it might be Dr. Hawking who is "doubly wrong".
I am assisting in educating about the potential danger and counter unsupportable public relations statements of “no danger”, “don’t worry…” concerning operation of the Large Hadron Collider.
The physicists involved, actually a majority of experimental physicists really really want to believe that this type of experimentation is safe, otherwise it could shut down a huge amount of science research.
The problem is not only might it be unsafe, it might be really really unsafe.
A primary issue is that the energies are so high that the experiment may collapse some particles into ‘micro black holes’. (CERN estimates possible creation at a rate of one per second).
If these exotic particles evaporate or grow extremely slowly, then there would be no problem. However several PHDs in Math and Physics and other theoretical sciences (I can provide quotes and links) believe that BOTH might be false. Micro black holes may likely NOT evaporate and they likely might grow relatively QUICKLY.
That might mean that in a matter of just perhaps a few years or decades a single micro black hole could grow so large that it might actually collapse the entire Earth into it.
CERN wishes to start operating the LHC experiment later this year and is planning to release a study that will attempt to prove safety. But it might not be possible. And the fear is that the experiment might go forward anyway, with the hope that it will prove to be safe…
The alternative is hugely negative for the thousands employed by the experiments and who have been working for years to conduct their experiments. Big stakes for careers, science, prestige, funding, etc.
A court case before US Federal Courts to compel reasonable proof of safety has its first hearing on June 16, 2008 in Hawaii.
More information is also available at other sites, including LHCFacts.org and LHCDefense.org (wealth of quotes, links, articles, etc. from independent sources and credible experts).
Cheers,
JTankers
Personally i would like to state the obvious, these so called scientists are trying to recreate the big bang, now lets really look at this statement. The big bang was the biggest explosion ever, it caused the creation of the universe, so is it not reasonable to assume that this experiment will cause the creation of another universe? can two universes exist together? will this experiment cause the collapse of the current universe? i think that this experiment is ridiculous and is an attempt by fools that call themselves scientists to play God. Not one of these scientists are real genius because a genius will not attempt to wipe out there fellow humans on the back of an experiment that is based on theories. I am just a normal guy that has an interest in science, but it is stupid endevour like this that make me think who are these people that tell us what is what when it comes to science, they must be crazy or they know something we dont and are not fully disclosing what it is that makes them believe that this experiment will not be an absolute catastrophe
ReplyDeleteI agree with you, this is a colossally foolish and reckless gamble that may conceivably end life on Earth years or decades from now.
ReplyDeleteThose running and supporting this experiment believe in an outlandish interpretation of quantum mechanics[3] invented by Hitler's top nuclear scientist Dr. Werner Heisenberg[1] called non-deterministic quantum mechanics and equally outlandish and fundamentally flawed theories by Dr. Steven Hawking[7][8] based largely on Dr. Heisenberg's theory and refute parts of Dr. Einstein's great relativity theory.
Histories greatest master of physics, Dr. Albert Einstein warned that Dr. Heisenberg's deterministic quantum mechanics was paradoxical, incomplete and absurd "God does not play dice with the universe". Dr. Einstein proposed what is today called Bohmian or Einstein Bohmian Quantum Mechanics, only recently proven to be valid[2]
Unfortunately physics students are taught only Heisenberg's outlandish and paradoxical interpretation of quantum theory as part of the "standard model of physics". Most physicists may not even know that Dr. Einstein's elegant, simple non-paradoxical interpretation of quantum theory has been proven valid[2] and that we may be gambling the future of life on Earth based largely on misguided believe in pseudo scientific theories of Dr. Hawking[7][8] who also rejects Dr. Einstein's warning.
Professor Dr. Otto E. Rossler of Germany, a great humanitarian and world famous scientist brilliantly re-examined and re-analyzed the great work of physic's greatest theory, Dr. Einstein's Relativity theory, and concludes that if micro black holes are created[11] they will destroy Earth in 50 months to 50 years. [5][9][10]
The following is Professor Dr. Rössler's plea to the world:
"A nightmarish situation, that can still be hoped to be averted in time through communication within the scientific community, is drawn attention to. Only a few weeks remain to find out whether the danger is real or nothing but a mirage. After this time window is closed, it will take years until we know whether or not we are doomed. The story line has all the features of a best-selling novel. The reader is asked to contribute constructively."[5]
Quote from Dr. Otto E. Rössler, a modern day Leonardo Da Vinchi, Professor of Theoretical Biochemistry, visiting Professor of Theoretical Physics, inventor of the Rossler Attractor, founder of Endophysics, winner of the 2003 Chaos Award of the University of Liege and the 2003 Rene Descartes Award, contributor to hyper chaos, micro relativity and author of approximately 300 scientific papers.
CERN belittles the work of Dr. Rössler and arrogantly states that they will prove safety by creating high energy collisions in the coming weeks.[3] (The same collisions that Dr. Rossler theorizes may destory Earth).
Professor Rossler's latest interview with science journalist Alan Gillis may be found at scientificblogging.com[4]
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werner_Heisenberg Dr. Werner Heisenberg, inventor of "standard" Quantum Mechanics.
[2] http://space.newscientist.com/article/mg19726485.700 Einstein Bohmian Quantum Mechanics, refutes Heisenberg "standard" interpretation
[3] http://www.lhcfacts.org?p=72 CERN’s Dr. Ellis tells only half of the story
[4] http://www.scientificblogging.com/big_science_gambles/professor_rossler_takes_on_the_lhc Alan Gillis interviews Prof. Dr. Otto Rossler
[5] http://www.lhcfacts.org Large Hadron Collider Safety issues
[7] http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0008016 Prof. Dr. Adam D. Helfer, Do black holes radiate?
[8] http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/els/03759601/1995/00000209/00000001/art00785 Prof. V.A. Belinski, On the existence of quantum evaporation of a black hole,
[9] Otto E. Rossler, Abraham-like return to constant c in general relativity: “Â-theorem“ demonstrated in Schwarzschild metric, http://www.wissensnavigator.com/documents/OTTOROESSLERMINIBLACKHOLE.pdf, (2008)
[10] Otto E. Rossler, A Rational and Moral and Spiritual Dilemma, http://www.wissensnavigator.com/documents/spiritualottoeroessler.pdf (2008)
[11] CERN Courier, The case for mini black holes, http://cerncourier.com/cws/article/cern/29199 (Nov 12, 2004)
I agree with you, this is a colossally foolish and reckless gamble that may conceivably end life on Earth years or decades from now.
ReplyDeleteThose running and supporting this experiment believe in an outlandish interpretation of quantum mechanics[3] invented by Hitler's top nuclear scientist Dr. Werner Heisenberg[1] called non-deterministic quantum mechanics and equally outlandish and fundamentally flawed theories by Dr. Steven Hawking[7][8] based largely on Dr. Heisenberg's theory and refute parts of Dr. Einstein's great relativity theory.
Histories greatest master of physics, Dr. Albert Einstein warned that Dr. Heisenberg's deterministic quantum mechanics was paradoxical, incomplete and absurd "God does not play dice with the universe". Dr. Einstein proposed what is today called Bohmian or Einstein Bohmian Quantum Mechanics, only recently proven to be valid[2]
Unfortunately physics students are taught only Heisenberg's outlandish and paradoxical interpretation of quantum theory as part of the "standard model of physics". Most physicists may not even know that Dr. Einstein's elegant, simple non-paradoxical interpretation of quantum theory has been proven valid[2] and that we may be gambling the future of life on Earth based largely on misguided believe in pseudo scientific theories of Dr. Hawking[7][8] who also rejects Dr. Einstein's warning.
Professor Dr. Otto E. Rossler of Germany, a great humanitarian and world famous scientist brilliantly re-examined and re-analyzed the great work of physic's greatest theory, Dr. Einstein's Relativity theory, and concludes that if micro black holes are created[11] they will destroy Earth in 50 months to 50 years. [5][9][10]
The following is Professor Dr. Rössler's plea to the world:
"A nightmarish situation, that can still be hoped to be averted in time through communication within the scientific community, is drawn attention to. Only a few weeks remain to find out whether the danger is real or nothing but a mirage. After this time window is closed, it will take years until we know whether or not we are doomed. The story line has all the features of a best-selling novel. The reader is asked to contribute constructively."[5]
Quote from Dr. Otto E. Rössler, a modern day Leonardo Da Vinchi, Professor of Theoretical Biochemistry, visiting Professor of Theoretical Physics, inventor of the Rossler Attractor, founder of Endophysics, winner of the 2003 Chaos Award of the University of Liege and the 2003 Rene Descartes Award, contributor to hyper chaos, micro relativity and author of approximately 300 scientific papers.
CERN belittles the work of Dr. Rössler and arrogantly states that they will prove safety by creating high energy collisions in the coming weeks.[3] (The same collisions that Dr. Rossler theorizes may destory Earth).
Professor Rossler's latest interview with science journalist Alan Gillis may be found at scientificblogging.com[4]
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Werner_Heisenberg Dr. Werner Heisenberg, inventor of "standard" Quantum Mechanics.
[2] http://space.newscientist.com/article/mg19726485.700 Einstein Bohmian Quantum Mechanics, refutes Heisenberg "standard" interpretation
[3] http://www.lhcfacts.org?p=72 CERN’s Dr. Ellis tells only half of the story
[4] http://www.scientificblogging.com/big_science_gambles/professor_rossler_takes_on_the_lhc Alan Gillis interviews Prof. Dr. Otto Rossler
[5] http://www.lhcfacts.org Large Hadron Collider Safety issues
[7] http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0008016 Prof. Dr. Adam D. Helfer, Do black holes radiate?
[8] http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/els/03759601/1995/00000209/00000001/art00785 Prof. V.A. Belinski, On the existence of quantum evaporation of a black hole,
[9] Otto E. Rossler, Abraham-like return to constant c in general relativity: “Â-theorem“ demonstrated in Schwarzschild metric, http://www.wissensnavigator.com/documents/OTTOROESSLERMINIBLACKHOLE.pdf, (2008)
[10] Otto E. Rossler, A Rational and Moral and Spiritual Dilemma, http://www.wissensnavigator.com/documents/spiritualottoeroessler.pdf (2008)
[11] CERN Courier, The case for mini black holes, http://cerncourier.com/cws/article/cern/29199 (Nov 12, 2004)