Canadian Children seized after swastika drawn on girl, 7

UPDATE

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Moral relativism is dangerous, and this story represents the argument better than anything I've ever seen.

The mother says that she isn't a Nazi, she is just a white supremist. Wow. Big difference there, right? I guess that Nazi necklace is just a fashion accessory?

The way to know the difference between a real religion and a group of haters is easy, a real religion has a positive definition of itself, not a negative definition, and it is accepting of all people who follow that religion according to the laws of that religion.

For example, there are a rainbow of xtians, moslems, Jews, buddahists, and hindus. The main tenent of their religion is not the hatred of someone else, it is love of a higher power than one's self, and the moral rules which accompany a non-self-centered perspective of the world.

These people are simply haters. They might follow some pagan slop and call it religion, but it is a thin veneer of religion trying to cover for a chasm of hate which, at it's center, makes the hater feel better about their sad pathetic uneducated selves.

I pity these children.

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By RHONDA SPIVAK, Prairies Correspondent
Thursday, 19 June 2008
http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080623/NEWS/806230355

WINNIPEG— A two-year old boy and a seven-year-old girl have been removed from their home by Winnipeg Child and Family Services (CFS) after the girl went to school with a swastika and other white supremacist markings on her body.

CFS is seeking permanent guardianship of the children because of the fear that their father, an alleged neo-Nazi, has been brainwashing them with his beliefs, endangering their well-being, and that the mother has gone along with this. The man is the boy’s father and girl’s stepfather.

“The children may be at risk due to the parents’ behaviour and associates. The parents might endanger the emotional well-being of the children,” CFS said in a court affidavit.

“There are also concerns about parental drug and alcohol use in the home,” the agency wrote.

Winnipeg Police spokesperson Const. Pat Chabidon said police became involved after school officials were alarmed to see the little girl with markings on her body reportedly made with permanent marker.

Chabidon added that the father “was a subject of interest in a hate crime-type investigation in 2005,” but no charges were laid.

The children’s mother, who by law can’t be identified, has received advice and support from Paul Fromm, a disgraced former teacher in Ontario who was fired from his job in Peel Region in 1997 for links to neo-Nazi groups.

Fromm told The CJN he met the parents in Winnipeg last December at a group meeting focusing on Fromm’s involvement in court cases in Alberta and B.C. about hate speech.

According to Fromm, “The children were kidnapped at the end of March [by the CFS] and it took almost three months before the first court hearing [this month]… I understand that the children are living at a relative’s home and the mother is able to visit. I don’t know if the father can visit… I advised the mother to get a lawyer.”

Fromm added: “I can see a school not wanting a child to be a political billboard. But that shouldn’t be enough of a reason to take the kids away… There are many people who have views that other people think are crazy. A lot of people think Christianity or Islam is odd… But you shouldn’t fear that you are going to lose your children because your beliefs are different than the mainstream.”

Fromm added that this was not a case involving allegations of physical or sexual abuse. “The state should take away kids in only the most serious of cases. If the father made these markings on the little girl, it was unwise, but to say that the price of this lack of wisdom is to lose your child is horrible.”

A CFS spokesperson said that a parent’s beliefs may be harmful to a child when the belief includes taking actions that result in endangerment or abuse. The definition of abuse under the CFS Act includes acts or omissions that result in “emotional disability of a permanent nature in the child or [are] likely to result in such a disability.”

The case, which is being heard in child protection court, has been adjourned to June 23 to give the children’s mother time to retain her own lawyer, rather than be represented by the same counsel as her husband, court documents said.

She told The CJN that she is working out a deal with CFS to get the children back, and she’s trying to get legal counsel.

She also said she kicked her husband out of the family home three days after seeing court documents outlining the Crown’s case.

The mother said that she is “a white nationalist… but not a neo-Nazi skinhead.”

She wears a necklace with a small etching of a swastika, but she told The CJN that for her, the symbol doesn’t represent Nazism. “For me it represents my heritage and my belief and everything that is good about man.”

She also identified her spiritual belief as “Odinism,” which followers describe as a pagan religion that celebrates Norse and German mythology. Critics say Odinism is followed by some members of white supremacist groups, which use it to justify claims to power.

The mother said her husband is “a flamboyant bigot.’’ He told the Winnipeg Free Press that “I have dedicated my entire life to being a skinhead.”

The Free Press also reported that CFS is prepared to return the children to their mother and drop its bid for permanent custody in a deal that would involve sending the children home on weekends.

A CFS spokesperson wouldn’t comment on the existence or non-existence of a deal.